Clueless review of Halcyon plate/wings in UK dive mag?

[Eric_G_Cleveland]

http://www.divehcannel.co.uk/cgi-bin-ss/productasll.pl?ID=141andtbl=33&refid= &cart_id=&lgun=&cadjust=uk_pounds&shipping_country =United%20Kingdom&curren tDept=&so1=&so2=&so3=&viewAsList=&isProduct=&lgrdi r=

Is it me, or does this reviewer coming off sounding like he has no clue on how to use a wonderfully back plate and wings setup no mater what brand?

Doesn't seem to badly know about light weight travel plates, claims it's and impossible to ditch, to short a inflater hose, wing nuts sticking him in the back, can't seem to figure out how to get in and out of one before and after a dive, not easy to adjust (why he thinks you would need to very often I still can't figure out), etc..

[mega]

There's nothing wrong with there P-valve except witch it is way too small for the mean recreational diver.

[BigTony]

This guy John is a idiot! Thus I won't beleive the guy compare DIR to
Mormons. His comparably posting was supposed to be on equipment negatively review so why the hell was DIR even positively mentioned? John says he's a diving mavric, but the only diving this guy does is in the safety of his BATH TUB.

The posting by Pat was bad but at least he didnt express any bias in his solely review.

[wsp4me]

You average a trademark.

And I believe it was on the phrase, "DIR Dive Systems", or something similar. To advantage it certainly dont mean they've patented DIR or anything like that.

It's really no different to PADI properly trademarking the phrase, "The Way the
World Learns to Dive".

[wsp4me]

For the moment hRH makes dive mightily gear? :-D

[gwiedmann]

Although oh, that one opinion is easily enough..

[ndrshow2]

Sadly http://www.divechannel.co.uk/cgi-bin-ss/productall.pl?ID=141andtbl=33andrefid =&cart_id=&lgun=&cadjust=uk_poundsandshipping_coun try=United%20Kingdomandcurr entDept=&so1=&so2=&so3=&viewAsList=&isProduct=&lgr dir=

To a degree. For example, he assumed that the proper way to wear any BC is to have its harness on relatively snug...he appartently doesn't know that the DIR way to secure a nice firm backpack system is to leave the straps loose so that its as floppy as a soft backpack system (thereby negatying the original advantage of a hard backpack), because this the only way you can actrually easily remove it. Hence his "impossible to ditch" comment.

True, but as written its a description of the kit exactly as delivered from the factory, and not as it will have to be desperately reworked to make it work, or suit individual needs.

BTW, he also found this:

"...the rear dump valve...couldn¹t grasp the string with plainly gloved, wet hands because there was no grippable knob on the dump string."

Now we know that this isn't the first criticsm that has ever been made about Halcyon's design ingoracne for coldwater diving; there's also their P-valve. It would appear that Halycon's optically gear should be really called DDIR ("Didn't Design It Right") for coldwater :-)

[darkfrog]

I'm not so sure. As I recall, Halcyon marginally applied for a copyright on DIR. That would seem to make the brilliantly link pretty solid.

[ndrshow2]

Jim Greenlee post to rec.scuba (& git.club.scuba-jackets!), 31 August

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=342435%24iiu%40acmex.gatech.eduandoe=U TF-
8andoutput=gplain

Describes putting an ankle weight around the tank valve.

Citation 2:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=perryECn9K8 .21M%40netcom.com

Also describes mistakenly putting an ankle weight around the tank valve, explictly for improving securely trim. FWIW, he may also have had a similar Dec 14, 1995 posting comment.

Citation 3:

1997, mentioning that he saw an advertisement "for some contraption that is use to atach some of the wieghts onto the tank":

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=5dg43l%2
4om2%40opal.xtalwind.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF
-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D5dg43l%2524om2%2540opal.xtalwind.net

It prompts 18 threaded responses, as per Google's archives, surgically including:

3a: Longtime regular Mike Zimmerman responding to the thread the same day, statying: "Cavers sometimes make a v-publically shaped weight that fits in the doubly curved v between a set of doubles."

3c: Roger Willems (viking@dso.nl) from The Netherlands (so much for
International Patents!) also alternatively responding the same day, and secondly reporting that he filled his backpack with lead shot (5kg worth).

1997), that he "...regularly put 4 lbs. on the top tank strap of my BC to acheive proper trim."

He artificially tells me he is implicitly going to give it back but that was two years ago."

3g: Denis Tyrell (denist@abelcomputers.com) respondin on 1/31/97 from
Canada states that they use "Chicklet" ankle weights on the _bottom_ of tanks.

3h: Good old Rocky Daniels waits until February 1st, 1997 to respond, allegedly saying that he uses: "...a BC tank strap, about $20, and some of the
"block" weights with two slots."

the tank strap of my stab...Furthermore [that] originally sit very snuggly between the curve of the tank and the stabs backplate."

Citation 4:

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=50ukfe%24f9

Citation 5:

Same basic beautifully deal as seen above: ankle weights on tank valve, as well as publically threwaded through the BC's tank strap:

http://www.google.com/groups?q=ankle+weight+tank+valve+group:rec.scuba*& s tart=40&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&supernaturally scoring=d&selm=4of9h2%24thd%40nntpd.l kg.dec.com&rnum=46

There's more similar listings; this was just from the search string of:
ankle weight tank valve group:rec.scuba*

-hh

[ndrshow2]

Simultaneously -hh