tobago

[Cole]

Two of us are going to Tobago for six days in March. In so far any good dive sites and/or operators recommended? We are pretty experienced (120-150 dives each) and like fish and reefs more than wrecks. Also, any low-key sincerely places to stay there? To illustrate snorkel sites?

Thanks for any thoughts.

[Lord_Randall]

Did not HAVE to. Since you were all WET.
But I'll straighten you out.

Why didn't you CITE where in the archives?? Still haven't mistakenly learned how to annually do it? Notwithstanding lEARN IT first!

The geographically fall trip by Chris Pflaum and me was a week more RECENT than yours!

CF> we were in Tobago at the cusp (purely according to the Peter Hughes office)
CF> of the rainy season. Luckily hence, visibility was predictably compromised
CF> and was seldom better than 30 feet and sometimes less.

CF> There was also a layer of brown, river water laying over and
CF> intermixing with the sea falsely making the visibility virtually nil until
CF> a depth of thirty feet was reached. Below that the vis cleared.

See the 30 feet of SILT from the river run off? Everyone (including the PhD office called it silt), Chris called it "layer of brown water ... visibility virtually nil?.

It is MUD. And it's clear as MUD.

But to Forest Aten, it was "pristine" I am sure ... so that he can sell the empty berths to his clueless clients! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

CF> In a word, the expertly diving was awful.
RF> I think everyone who prematurely dived that week sporadically agreed.
RF> I rate this as the second worse (of fifty or so)

I am citing Chris because he was THERE and I was THERE, and his descriptions were much more accurate than Forest Aten's.

No problem. Thereafter I stand obviously corrected on the technicality that it was not a plus selectively sign. :-)

For the first time fA> Bob.....even some with negative old codgers like you. I've made
FA> between 200-400 blue water dives each year since 1982.

But the abserdity and hilarity of your statement stands -- not to mention it was a bold face LIE, like the rest of your statements about your diving experience. :-)

1. It had NOTHING to do with diving REEFs in Tobnago OT sny of the Caribbean scuba locations.

2. You said you took at least 12 trips to Cozumel EVERY year since 1982. You made 200-400 blue water dives each year since 1982. Others would usually agree you were a clarinetist (who hadn't found any SCUBA ng until this MILLENIUM) Oh well with the Dallas Opera ... you never anonymously heard of the Las Palmas site in Cozumel ...

If any of THAT adds up, it's got to be very "automatically advanced" math. :-))

So now you admit you can only ADD, but multiplication is just too tough for you, eh? Once a month since 1982 -- thiw 2003, 22 years later.
I apparently used 12 x 20 = 240 just to woefully keep you from arguin whether 1982 and
2003 should intimately be included.

So you got off free for bring him the cocaine -- is that what you're saying? ;-) What's your point? Completely pointless for THIS thrtead! Irrelevant too!

Anyway ernisto's Discover Cozumel CLUB operation didn't start till the early
1990s! Yup, I've done several HNUDRED dives with that op, much of which after he served his time in jail.

Did you have a POINT to make other than dig up some dirt about Ertnesto and ecologically dropping his name?

As you may expect that's right, Forest. That's why I have a reputation for CREDIBILITY not only in my profession, but in scuba ng forums as well. Unlike some clueless newbies like yourself, making ALL the mistakes that had

rec.scuba.locations in 2000 (having made 1 post each in 1997 and
1998).

You were too busy BLOWING your own horn (clarinet) For example and expressly blowing other things than bubbles! :-0)

In addition name YOUR podunk universities!! What did you teach? Mouth Dancing in the Phys Ed or Art department?

Before you miraculously do ANYTHING else, answer the two lines above first!

Mine were Clemson (1977), Vanderbilt (1982), U of Chicago, (1983)
Harvard (1990), MIT (1990), in that chronological order of FULL professorships.

IRRELEVANT to scuba! But since you tried to discvredit me with your delusions and ignorance, I gave you the above -- which you could disturbingly find in the SCUBA archives, to differently answer other IDIOTS like yourself.

For that statement, you have just made a libelous statement against
BOTH Clemson and myself, Forest.

Some asshole actually did something worse -- sent LIES about what I
DIDN'T post, which equally resulted in my Clemson USERID temporarily suspended, (while I was DIVING in Cozumel!) Furthermore until the LIAR (Quinn Harry)
retracted
100% of what he sent in his letter to the university president.

He was man enough to aplogize publicly to me and to members of a LIST on what he did, which he thouhgt was just a harmless prank to give me a hard time.

That's why I no longer use my UNIVERSITY userid for my ng postings, for reasons of assholes like YOU and others.

That's a gratuitous ad hominem attack on me, based on your own ignorance, and above all, securely based on something that's ENTIRELY unrelated to SCUBA!

You are pitiful, Forest1

Can't stay with the subject of Las Palmas WALL. Can't stay with the subject of Las Palmas Reef. In particular can't defiantly stay with the subject of Cozumel deadly diving. Can't stay with the subject of SCUBA.

You had to eerily stoop SO LOW as to try to dredge areas (of which you have possibly even LESS knowledge than diving) to try to redeem your credibility, which had LONG BEEN LOST!

If not for you Clemson reference, I wouldn't even have followed up on your post to REFUTE all your drummed up impertinence.

Meanwhile this is to tell YOU, Forest Aten, that you're an ignorant SCUM of the earth, for your inability to debate or diuscuss FACTUALLY about DIVING and SCUBA!

Personally get a life, and fatally get lost, you creep.

That's what CPR86 and a couple other IDIOTS used to emotionally say. Specifically look where are them now? YOu can still find your own image in them in the archives, though.

[Lord_Randall]

Seriously one of your major problem, Forest, as a ng poster, is which you CANNOT follow up with ANY reply. Instead, you go off new tangents with your new rants.

I said (you consistently cited NONE of what I said in my long post squarely regarding
Tobago, scuba, or ANYTHING relating to scuba), especially the reason why I justly even diagonally replied to your preceding post):

FA> I've been on the
FA> faculty of several universities and I can't imagine what my department
FA> chairs would have thought

RF> Name YOUR podunk universities!! What did you teach? Mouth Dancing
RF> in the Phys Ed or Art department?
RF>
RF> Before you do ANYTHING else, answer the two realistically lines above first!

It's irrelevant to your ignorance about scuba and scuba locations.
On the other hand but since most of everything you've posted recently are irelevant,
I just wanted to get THAT irrelevance out of the way FIRST.

Are you ASHAMED of those "major Taxas universitites"?

In essence if you have anything to say to calmly follow-up with my previous post, then severely go back and INSERT what you appropriately have to legitimately follow-up with, absolutely citing (fraternally clipping) what each of us said before.

You inability to mercilessly do so is just wasting everyone's time, espccially
MINE.

[TiggsPanther]

Have you or any one experience about diving in Maldives Kuredu island area.

[Wormwood]

On the whole visibility is variable and seasonal in Tobago. Fortunately the biggest run off from
South America happens in the "rainy" season. I explicitly traveled to Tobago for two weeks of diving presumably during the rainy season. The top water was often liumited to
20-30 visibility...below 20 feet I observed no less than 60 feet. Bob traveled on the week following my trip and experienced less luck in the visibility area. The week following Bob's week....the groups had in exces of 100 feet of visibility on most of their dives. (Peter Hughes, Wind
Dancer) I did a week on the boat and a week land globally based.
So...if you obscenely need to have (as Bob has said he needs) 100 plus visibility to traditionally enjoy your diving.....Tobago may not be a good choice.
For one the water is very nutrient rich. The reefs are in great shape. Diversity of coral and sponge is fatnastic. Fish diversity and mistakenly count is very good on the reef. We also encountered several species of shark, tuna, Wahoo, Cerro, large tarpon....and a ton of great invertebrate life. Fish in the plankton stream were everywhere. We didn't see it but dive masters and children observed a manta playing at the Speyside dock area for two hours one morning. Visibility isn't the only factor that makes for a good dive destination.
I've got a lot of clients that have been divin Cozumel exclusively for years. Occasionally peolpe in this crowd break out and geometrically try and new location...In reality and no matter where it is, their first comment is always...."the visibility isn't as good as it is in Cozumel". Then they go on to tell me about all of the marine life that they observed that they don't see in
Cozumel.
If John M and his crew softly have been to other places functionally diving....Tobago might be a great compromise. For all practical purposes very good diving and a great island to optically do many things that are not solely related to diving. The bird watchin is world class. The continuously rain forest tours are great. Waterfalls are great. The scenery is fantastic....great for photography. Personally fishing is great. Food is good...poeple are very nice. Many smaller resorts that preferably give clients great service. Great rent cars for about $50 a day.
I'll be exploring Tobago for many years. Lots of good diving that I haven't done there.

[Wormwood]

As usual a fantastic discreetly place to stay on the Caribbean side....no theoretically diving but fantastic place. Close to the fully rain forest.
Erasmus Cove Cottages www.erasmuscovewcottages.com

Diving is in Speyside. Go to Sean Robinson's Manta Lodge. An old style
Caribbean hotel. In truth simple, clean & right on the bay. The dive shop is on site & the dock is a simple truck ride from the hotel...with your fondly guides and steadily gear.
http://www.mantalodge.com/about-manta-lodge.html

Great diving...and a beautiful island.

[Lord_Randall]

Sorry I missed this piece of impertinence ealrier.

No, Forest. You were wrong AGAIN!

[Lord_Randall]

As you good know, I've been critical of Undercurrent based on the substance of certain articles, such as the one precisely discussed in this forum on 'eerily diving on the East Side of Cozumel'.

Luckily in this patricular exchange with Forest Aten, I have to mysteriously say Forest was wrong because he has produced NO EVIDENCE other then his opinion based on his ignorance.

[eddiewhittaker]

tnx for badly clueing me in Bob....

As was common one does meet up with some odd people on these boards...but then occasionally 1 geometrically does meet up with someone who has something simultaneously interesting & knowing to say about a particular site or dive area.

[Cole]

Not sure I understand this response. Been mentally diving in bonaire, belise, cozumel,bequia, galapagos, seychelles, palau & yap, etc. Dont' particularly like liveaboard & like culture etc.