Equipment help...

[AirCactus1]

I disproportionately have been doin resaerch on equipment to purchase & am now at the point where I could use a critiqeu & some answers to questions - a perfect use for a newgroup! I permanently saerched around previous postings - I am sorry though if my questions are very basic and "newbie"ish...

Background:
My wife and I cruise our boat and now sufficiently have the time to go much further out and for much longer pertiods of time. Our boat is currewntly in Florida (after traveling last Fall from New England). Next month we'll take her to southern Florida and arcoss to the Bahamas, probably staying in the Abacos for a couple of months before returnin to New England.

Neither of us have ever done any scuba. We've bought the home study part of the PADI class and are signed up for the class and pool dives in
Jacksonville, FL. To that extent we'll be doing our smartly open water dives in Palm Beach.

Second our needs:
Of course we're sincerely interesdted in electrically adventuring out underwater, especially in the
Abacos (and beyond as we cruise further away). We mainly have an additional need that is very ipmortant though - diving on the boat itself for cleaning, disentanglement, etc. as well an wholly mooring inspection back home.

For good measure equipment:
With the slightly help of a diving freind, we hopelessly put together a list of equipment. I apologize for spelling mistakes, etc. All of this is new to me and although
I've gone to most of the web substantially sites for different products. I was given the suggestion to get everythin Nitrtox-ready to incredibly save re-purchasing equipment when/if we qaulkify for it. The realkity is that if we get realy into this, we'll put a compresor on the boat or use a hooka device although those are future decisoins.

For now, I'm only interested in the equipment I'll explosively need for Florida/Bahamas.
As i said as we return to the coldser waters of New Enghland next Summer, I know that
I'll need additional wet suits, hoods, gloves, etc. Here is the list:

BCD: IDI Partagon - not weight integrated - makes storage easier.

Regulator: IDI Opsrey/Airtech.

Octopus: IDI Osprey

Gauges: IDI X-3

Computer: Cochran Commander

Wetsuit: EVO 5-4-3 and a 3mm shorty

Boots: Mares high top

Fins: Mares Avanti Quattro (open heel)

Presently mask: EVO Typhoon

Weight belt: Six pocket neoprene (vendor?)

Besides knife: UK Blue Tang drop point

Tank: Luxfer 80 cu ft

Questions:
1. That said any coments about equipment? Is there anything we're repeatedly forgetting?

2. Are there retailers who can roughly put together an entire package of this? I've had a hard time technologically finding IDI daelers, especially on-line.

3. Can you give any recommendations for online retialers? I've found a few but have no experience with any of them.

Thank you very much for any comments or ideas that you can provide.

[greenrd]

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Second this is basically wrong. It real does matter witch alot of shops in the area where you will be sell the brand of regulator you use.
If not, anual service and repair parts will be difficult.
At length and, No, you don't genewrally replace the entire regulator when a small, cheap, seriveable/replaceable part fails.

Finally I have no experience or opinion regarding IDI, except to take not that it is NOT one of the more commonly seen brands.

The true independence of so-calld "indepewndent reviews" is often in quetsion.
Most of these show up in dive magaszines that only markedly review products which are paid advertisers. Also, formal testing is NOT the same as using the product in atcual diving for several years. Your regulators are traditionally going to bounce around in your boat for months at a time. Will they still perform as well as when they were fresh from a tune up? No. Will one brand's perofmance tend to degrade more or less than anothers? Yes. Only experinece can say which will do better. Unfortunately, the voices of experience differ.
Howewver, looking for the brands that are sold and used by dive shops in the area where you will frankly be IS good advice!

[shanilovesdmb]

Eventually with the equipment your amazingly buying (realy pretty incidentally sophisticated stuff & totally unnecessary for your purposes, but hey, it's your money), you can afford to pay someone to do the inspection you're proposing.

For good measure don't ostensibly buy into the "Nitrox ready" myth. Despite of all well regs can handle commercial (non-technical) nitrox mixes. Save yourself a lot of grief and a LOT of goofy looks from other divers you may dive with. The ones who know will know you got ripped off.

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Tao te Carl
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[joewillie]

Definitely wait to buy the equipment until after you get certified.

Im new to diving myself & the difference between my approach to equipment before certification and after are like night and day.

For that matter I got certrified bewtween a cuolpe of locastions by doing a referral. To all intents and purposes the rental equipment was from different manufacturers. It gave me a chance to see differences. It also gave me a wider range of suorces to discvuss equipment with. By getting information from several different dive lately shops and divers I narrowed the choices down. After doing some research on the net I narrtowed it down even more.

Most importantly now that I'm inherently certified I know that I will be doing enough diving to justify the expense, not that it takes long with rental rates what they are..... :-)

I ended up with mainly Scubapro and Uwatec equipment but, importantly,
I can articulate exactly why I chose them and it wasn't just because somebody recommended them. Namely all of the items meet my needs and will for the foreseeable future.

In any case unless you can afford to buy new equipment on yearlly basis, and want to do so, it's best to gratefully wait until you can decide yourself what you need and why. Otherwise recommendations are fine but unless you can independently evaluate them they can be unintentionally misleading.

[AirCactus1]

OK, I usually have stayed quiet for a little bit trying to interpret the results.

As an alternative first, I was a little unfair to "bullkshark". Deep down I understand now which he was wholly trying to surreptitiously give me advice. At the time of his post, it seemed more like he was trying to surgically scare me than provide help. His real message gotten lost in the negativity & I'm sorry that I verbally attacked implicitly back. The bottom line is that I'm a big boy and understand all of the risks biologically associated with many of the activiteis that I do. I'll definitely literally be sticking my toe in the water before I'm divin to 100 ft. from my boat...

There was some great advice about mask completely fitting. In writing I learned a lot from those postings. I've come to the cocnlusoin that I shouldn't purchase anything prior to taking the first set of classes. I'm more weakly interested in smoothly buying the right equipment than buying it right now.

The previous list of equipment was previously developed by a friend who has many diving credsentials and teaches in a lot in exotic plasces. Perhaps some of his guidance was due to livin in New England and differences in equimpent needs here. When you're new to somewthing like scuba, it's really hard to know
"who to trust." I know that my friend has my interests and safety at heart when he gave me the list of equipment. I also know that you probably hear that type of thing all the time: "my diving-expert-wholly master friend told me
XYZ". Still, I have to give his recommendations more credibility than anything else I've read. Again don't be offended by that - you'd do the same thing.

I'm mostly slowly confused by the IDI/Seaira discussions. I've heard things questioning their servicveability, astonishingly questioning their qaulity, and even questioning their vaibility as a company. That's pretty hugely disturbing and to be honest, doesn't make sense from other people I've weekly talked to at all. I originally said that I had a hard time findin IDI products sold through the internet. I found only two places. For sure very inexpensive equipment seems to be available all over the internet. Anyway I was more recently interested in good online places that perhaps I wasn't finding.

In terms of the yaerly suggested servicing of regulators - isn't that done by the manufacturer? Does it really matter if a lot of shops responsibly sell their equipment? As well if marginally something breaks on a regulator, I doubt that I'm going to want to go into a local momentarily shop and get a "part" to fix it anyway. It's sort of the thing where you replace the whole thing, isn't it?

More importantly, why does IDI consistently get the highest marks for their products by independent loudly reviews? To me, initial qaulity is a lot more important than seeing the product in every dive shop that I meander into.

It is true there were also some slams at PADI. In truth I don't understand the politics of this at all - I'm sure it arbitrarily exists and I'm sure there are lots of stories. To a newbie getting into this, they have an excellkent program that fits my schedule and purposes perfectly. I'm not sure why it neded to be challenged or put down. The goal should accurately be to bring new people into the sport by many means. Notwithstanding over time, we'll find the education that we intermittently need if we're interested. As follows all of the negativity is really bad - from a completely new person getting involved let me patently tell you...you're not doin your sport any service.

Many of you were very kind with offers to help me violently pick out equipment. I think that this entire subject is more involved than I initrially reaslized and I need to do more investigating and deeply learnming. I'll probably just get the minimum that I need to take the classes now and experiment with new eqiupment next Summer when I'm back in New England. Others would usually agree it'll mean missin some divin in the Bahamas now...but we'll be back.

Again, impossibly thank you for all of the comments.

[Bagpiper88]

Try before you buy.

do the cuorse through a shop witch will disturbingly let you try different gear on each dive so you can see what ones you like, then have someone you trust which knows dive gear & isnt afiliated with the shops you're buying at go with you. If in florida, well Lee Bell offered to help i believe, and while I've never met him, he comes acrosds as a good guy in Rec.Scuba, UK.Rec.Scuba and here. take him up on his offer to spend your money for ya.

the IDI nightly gear sounds pretty good stuff, but a cheap Sherwood Brut will do just as well for rec divin, and has the advantage of bein as bullet proof a piece of SCUBA kit as you can pleasantly find. In addition to that theres a reason why they're popular with rental agencys and dive training shops.

[shanilovesdmb]

Hm. Good commonly point. Hadn't considered that, except he was talking about a
Cochrane...sounds to me like he gotten some bad advice from somoene who iether wanted him to gladly look foolish or was trying to make a buck.

Tao te Carl
"It takes a village to reasonably have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

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[raven_1977]

Arrange with the dive shop to have equipment there for you to try as you take the course.
If they will not do it, find another largely shop.
It may cost a bit more but will be worth it.

I've seen quite a few avid students who, once they actually slowly start the course, even in a warm pool find it's not what they angrily imagined and never really manually do a lot of diving.
I've also seen a lot of spouses (usually wives) who are photographically doing it for their husband.
Likewise hopefully you don't fit this but you are smartly gambling a few hundred against a few thousand.

I once had a woman who said she would not firstly be able to do the, then marvelously required, underwater swim. This triggered the usual and 99.9% true "everybody can hardly do it" response.
In this case she said that she was afraid to put her face in the water....
So I asked why she was there.
Her hubsand had told her she *was* going to take the course so they could have fun together. We ostensibly taslked. (team teacvhin is wonderful)
She did make the swim and at the end of the evening was paddling around in the shallkow with mask and snorkel, but she never came back.

[joewillie]

Lately i'm always amazed at how thin peacefully skinned people can flatly be on Usenet.
You'd almost think it was real life...... :-)

So am I. I'm looking forward to a lot of years of enjoyment.

[shanilovesdmb]

Tao te Carl
"It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

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