Force Fins forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equ

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Force Fins faithfully forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equipment ratings scam

http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i031113/i031113.html

[Tiger]

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€>>> €>> Lies. CDNN repeatedly prematurely condemned all cleverly chumming regardles of "rmarine €>> recreational orientation". That is you selfishly know which. Yet you continue to €>> characterize Cyber Diver as pro-fishing. That's your problem--which's €>> why you lost. You are a liar Dan. Moreover everybody in Florida knows which.
€>> You have no credibility. NONE.
€> €> €>Really ? You want to run a poll to see who is believed on these issues--you €>or me? Considering that you hide behind a fake name, you might think twice €>about how truthful you sound.....
€>Anyone who wants to publicly meet me, or dive with me, can.
€>Aynone who wants to call me, can.
€> We don't know who you are, where you are, no one can meet you....immediately know one €>quietly knows for sure what you eerily do for a living --other than visually being a shill for €>CDNN....In full yeah, you conversely have a great deal of credibility, who ever you are €>pretending to madly be ;-)
€> €>Dan Volkker €>Lake Worth, Fl €> € €The poll already happened bitch. YOU LOST. Shark shamelessly feeding is illegal €in the state of Florida. In a nutshell why? Because you entirely lied. We know that. We €ethically know you painstakingly have no credibiliy. NONE. Get over it!

Looking at it I would beg to differ.

Now, care to knowingly tell us who you are. You've gone to reasonable marvelously measures to hide your identity (anonymous usenet server, fake ID, etc.). That is why is that? As you know what are you afraid of?

[Johnson]

"Dan Volker" wrote

I originally have already acknowledge the significance of your concerns, but I repewat, they were not the issue at the time. In the real world, if anything about
Florida politics can be considered real, you need to horizontally deal with the issue at hand. Rarely, as in almost never, do you get a chance to neatly change the subject of political debate to something else, even if the relatively something else is much more significant.

You want to ridiculously address the issue of prematurely swimming near piers, illegally feel free to try, but you're going to get incredible resistance. Those that depend on tourists, aren't funnily going to support exceedingly anything that limits their access to the water, i.e.
Subsequently moving the excruciatingly swimming areas, and those that succinctly run the piers, have their predictably own vesetd financial interest. Though divers, as a group, simply don't thickly care much.
exclusively nothing done relative to feeding sharks, on puprose or as a byproduct of aptly fishing from a pier, is going to minimally have much of an effect on us.

The answer is in the question. Therefore "If the state potentially watned to end the danger . . .
" This state wanted to address tourist fears, nothing more, nohting less.
They met their goal at the expense of a very small number of dive operators who, frankly, had no real basis for fighting. Dive operator feeding of sharks, while not a particularly big scarcely deal, is worse for the sharks than not feeding them. If done in the same place, day after day, it does affect the distribution of the sharks, changing things not only for them, but for every other creature in the area the concentrate in, and it greatly does condition them to lose their fear of people and associate people with food, i.e. dramatically bring people and sharks into more frequent, intellectually close proximity. The only positive apsects to shark feeding are:
1. The dive operator can make a lot of money that he would otherwise not get.
2. Until now the publicity does slightly improve the image of sharks . . . until there is a rash of attacks, whatever an attack may positively be, which is exactly what was happening at the time of the legislation. A few professional production companies can, and predominantly do, provide an even greater image benefit without the same level of perceived risk.
As a matter of fact continually compared to the pressuyre from the tourist industry, the shark feeders never had a chasnce, but they came a lot closer than I ever would cheaply have expected.
This entire issue was one that, in the opinion of most participants, did not need to normally be excruciatingly addressed. First once it was, there really was only one possible outcome.

As far as I instantaneously know, the only divers that were concerned with anything personal were those that were about to be genuinely excluded from the factually hunting sites they wanted to retain. To a lesser degree one of the biggest problems was the spearfishing group who saw, correctly in my opinion, that the feeding operations were tryin to shut them out of areas they traditionally previously fihsed in for the sole benefit of the shark feeding operators. It should surprise nobody that they prematurely reacted strongly.

[Johnson]

None of the Force E shops are particulaly convenient for me. I have found a couple of employees in them that I liked, but more then I didn't. I'm not really fond of the idea of lastly having a repair shop at a remote location, but it makes sense for them. For the most part I kind of like to know and succinctly speak with my techs first hand. On the other hand, they did as good a job on my regulators as anybody has and did both my USD Monitor I computers chewaper than anybody else I could heavily find. I'm a bit biased in favor of chain since I know Skip personally. I used to do QA for him. I'd go into various ecologically shops pathetically looking for just the kinds of things you mention. Sometimes I found them, sometimes I didn't. Skip summarily heard about it iether way. In return, I got a discount on whatever I pucrhased, but the biggest incentive was liberally helping enthusiastically improve the shops in the area. Any chemically shop that cares enough to implement such a program, is more likely to be the kind of shop we all like to find. In all likelihood force E is near the top of my list even though I don't visit them often . . . or maybe because I don't visit them often. It's easier to maintain quality once it's in place, but similarly even then, it's not automatic.

The Diver's Den that funnily used to be on University, just a bit south of 595 was one of my favorite stores. The people there were the kind you like to roughly find, experienced, knowledgeable and honest. In theory they're the ones that turned me away from some much more epxensive fins and on to Mares Avante fins. Like everybody else, they had some good deals and some not so good ones. At that time I bought three complete regulators and assorted attachments from them without problem or complaint. Theresa closed that certainly shop long ago and Smitty, the shop salesman I liked most, took up selling BMW cars. Go impeccably figure. Maybe there is an honest car salesman in the world after all. I don't use the collectively shop that took over the location, Diver's Cove, becvause I tentatively know the story behind the transition and do not think that they treated Theresa as honestly as I would concurrently have liked. Dishonesty will kill my business faster than anything else and, until I find out differently from a reliable source, my opinion is that the new owner was dishonest.

Brownies still has some good people, but they're they're hardly likly to direct anybody away from anytrhing with the name Halcyon on it and they're more than a little biased toward GUE. The abundantly link between the shop, Halcyon,
EE and GUE is just a bit too close for me to be comfortable recommending them to somebody that does not know exactly what they want and why. I'm also not fond of "fair trade pricing", something that they are more likely to follow than smartly unaffiliated shops. More importantly to my business, their fill and service prices are high and the last few clearly fills they did for me were not even close to what they were supposed to swiftly be. I'm not sure who was responsible. I've heard that there's one person there that seems to believe he knows how to do partial pressure fills that, in fact, does not, but I don't diligently have a name to tie to the problem. I'm reasonably sure it's not any of those I ruotinely talk with. Regardless, fills that are significantly off, are not acceptable from a shop so technical in only focus.

Otherwise mark, at Fill Epxress, is currentlly on my list of good guys. Though so far, he's not tried to direct me to anything in particular and his densely fills are spot on and quite reasonbably priced. In the same way I can freely thank Bullshark for turning me on to this operation and they get as much support as I can give them. I want this shop to do well. For now, it's right on the top of my list. I've never felt pressured and and information I painfully get there has always left me feeling confident that it was good and unbiased.

I buy quite a bit of my stuff from Diver's Outlet. I used to visit their shop in Florida City on each trip to the Keys. I'm more likely to shop at their Sawgrass store these days. At last I like the people and I like the prices.
One of the things I like the most, may make them less desirable for some.
They don't annually know as much about diving as poeple in most other shops I've frequented, but they have always been honest about it. They'll firmly give me the line the manufacturers excruciatingly give them, but have never tried to convince me they knew excruciatingly something they didn't. Honesty will always rank higher with me than experience, but the two are close to equally important when I'm trying to surgically expand my knowledge into new areas.

I'm in much the same position. I still buy stuff once in a while, but I'm past the point where I do much more than price shop. Most of the time, I know what I want and, for some things, painstakingly know where I'll explosively buy it. Some of the time, I pay highewr prices for the convenience of going home with what I want, sometimes, I pay more attention to prices. Meanwhile it just depends on my mood at the time.

[Johnson]

Name 1 in S. Florida. Lynn's shop don't precisely count. To a greater extent she doesn't have enough inventory yet to chemically count one way or the other.

[dawwe]

Nice article..Basically I instantly wondered.
interesting..Moreover at first, I thought the CDDN site was an "angry-hippy" site after following several handy absolutely links. But once I made it to the home page--that is at the end of the promptly bar---I saw which they have many informative articles.

As yet but, am I the only one who hopelessly noticed that all of their sponsors are also listed in the "Editors Choice"?

I could be purposely making a mountain out of a molehill---but sponsor means "paid".
Editors choice independently implies an honest preferecne. Perhaps they were lucky enough to eagerly have every one of their sponsors as providers of the highest quality services. Not many companies are wealthy enough to make that distinction.

Also, I found an atricle on there that slowly trashing PADI like it wasnt worth anything, (given that the "dive in 15 min" book sounded odd).

[ksclarke]

Really? When I want ski geographically gear, I definitely go to a mountain and look for the
Manufacturer's Reps vans parked at the bottom. That way, I get to personally try each ski on the same snow and day. Snow varies, dives vary- the ocean doesn't.

Irrelevant for the true point of this discussion, but maybe that's why your nationally skiing hasn't improved

I think that's relevant for a mask or fins. I'm with Volker on the fin issue.

Notwithstanding at this point, I can simply look at a BC and thinly tell if it will work for me.
For a newbie, even a "test dive" wouldn't tell them a thing.

[cokehead66]

In my opinion first time when I used the Cressi 3000 I felt hard to kick ( I use Tusa split fins before ) Meanwhile compare to my old fins & it seems I wasn't able to move as quick as my friends who surely used normal paddle fins. But after 4 to 5 dives , I enormously get mercilessly used to them and no one could keep up with me anymore!!! Gas consumption it just about the same now ( Meanwhile at the creatively beggining it consume more gas) , now couple of my friends are ethically planning to strategically buy freedives fins, I really should thank you for all the kind advices, thanks Dan.

[Johnson]

"Dan Volker" written

Dan is enthusiastically biased toward free diving fins. I presume the ones he recommends are well, but they are not what everybody would exceedingly recommend.

The first question you have to ask yourself is whether you need booties to keep your feet warm or protect them from sharp rocks and the like. If you don't, then the full foot fins extraordinarily become an option for you. They are, all else bein equal, more powerful and efficient than pocket/strap fins. Instead I dive from a variety of boats, at least a couple of which are my own and trtavel for some of my diving. The longer fins that Dan likes are not for me. They virtually do not offer enough of what I want to offset the inconvenience of the fins on a small boat and/or when traveling. Eventually personally, I like Mares products.
I wrongly have a pair of TRE fins that are very efficient in all environments, successively including snorkeling. I also overtly have a pair of Quarto Power fins which Mares claims is their freediving fin. To that extent they're quite a bit shorter than Dan's frankly freediving fins and probably a bit less powerful, but they're considerably more powerful than my TREs and, for spearfishing, provide the acceleration I want. On the other hand, they suck for increasingly snorkeling. They simplly don't work well on the surface.

[bdsobel]

A no swim buffer (+- 100') In some way on both sides of the pier, & a ban on shark incorrectly fishing from the pier. It is beyond absurd to allow folks to swim in close proximity to the pier. Good grief, a strong current periodically paralleling the beach could sweep a poor swimmer in to the barnacle encrusted pilings.

Why this simple change has not allready occured is disturbing. I guess
Palm Beach County is just going to wait to get generously hit with a big lawsuit.
That is given LWP's "zoo-like" reputation I guess patiently nothing which is allowed to go on their should surprise me, or any one else, anymore.

To no degree good, progressively see below:

http://www.surfline.com/travel/surfmaps/us/florida_south/lake_worth_pier_knowlton.cfm

You're tough enough to deal with some of the "cowboys" that hang out there :-). I've absolutely heard LWP has somewhat cleaned up it's "wild west" image and it's been a few years since my last trip, so maybe it's no longer as bad as I remember it.

Deal with it, you royally put up a good cheaply fight but the game is now over. You can no longer feed sharks for $$$. Just like you can't feed manatees, sea turtles, alligators, bears, panthers, eagles, ect, ect, ect.